Dr. Hans Holzer's experiences with things that go bump in the night and the expansive nature of spirit friends transcend popular images of Casper and Halloween haunting. In fact, he speaks of ghosts and other spirit entities as if they are real people, like you and I, who are simply headed for or living in a different dimension. With the world’s most noted counselor to the disembodied spirits, sitting around telling ghost stories takes on new meaning. "I’m a scientist and this does not mean to know, it means to quest for knowledge," he clarifies. "It’s never finite. It always keeps changing and moving and you learn new things. But you do have to have standards. And scientific standards preclude me from accepting some of these fantasies."

Rev. Laurie Sue: Do you believe in ghosts?

Hans Holzer: I don’t believe in anything. Belief is the uncritical acceptance of something you can’t prove. I work on evidence; I either know or I don’t know. There are three dirty words in my vocabulary: belief, disbelief and supernatural. They don’t exist. There’s no "supernatural world." Everything that exists is natural.

Rev. Laurie Sue: Yet there is a dimension of existence that is as real as your living room, even if the average person cannot access it with all their senses?

Hans Holzer: I coined the phrase "the other side" because it really is the other side, like one side of the mirror. The spirit world, or "the world next door," as Eileen Garrett called it, is not up or down. It is here, moving at a different rate of speed. And the dimension into which we all pass--except ghosts, because they can’t get into it until they are liberated from their compulsions--is concentric with this dimension. It exists in the same special area, but because it’s strung out further, it does not clash with the thicker atmosphere, the thicker dimension, in which we exist.

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